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1546 - ping bronxelf_ag001: "Green" skyscraper has some really st00pid ideas

I sure am glad I won't ever have to go to the new federal building in San Francisco...they made it environmentally friendly (fitting for that particular city) by doing such things as making elevators stop on every third floor to save energy (ADA? What's that?) and doing away with air conditioning.

Someone on the forum where I saw this discussed first said that the building is ugly, but not as ugly as the FIT building...

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From:_ayn_
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Surely any energy saved from not installing air conditioning will be lost when the tenants plug in and crank up fans to make occupancy bearable?
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From:bronxelf_ag001
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and heaven forbid they have server rooms.

How the hell do they think they can run data systems?
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From:jmaynard
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Objection! Assumes fact not in evidence. It has not yet been demonstrated that they actually think.
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From:bronxelf_ag001
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What a fucking nightmare. This is, seriously, one of the biggest screwups in architecture Ive seen in a while.

Yay California.
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From:ddelony
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Howard Roark the architect is definitely not!
From:mosch2000
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There is an HVAC system.

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You should really learn to read. As should the author of the article you linked to.

Short version: the HVAC claims are false.
Long version: your mother drank too much while you were in utero, and now the world is stuck with you.
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From:jmaynard
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Re: There is an HVAC system.

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Got a reference for that? The article I read said that they were planning to control temperature and ventilation by opening windows under computer control.

It would be less st00pid if there were indeed an HVAC system, but there are still other st00pidities. (Cmon. Every third floor?! How do they plan to deal with people who can't climb stairs?)
From:mosch2000
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Re: There is an HVAC system.

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Well, to quote the architects: "the building deploys an integrated custom window wall to regulate internal comfort standards through natural ventilation, thermal mass storage, and both passive and active sunshading" But this is just a method of reducing load:

The pritzer prize people make it more clear, stating "Most of the workspaces will have direct access to sunlight, substantially reducing the need for artificial illumination, and more than 70 percent of the structure will be cooled with natural ventilation. ... Strategies such as those described above yield large cuts in energy consumption and permit the specification of smaller mechanical systems."

There are further references to the HVAC system at: http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/Hammer-energy-award.html and http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/07/wow_green/source/11.htm

The original article was clearly written by somebody who was either twisting the facts purposefully, or was just horrifically stupid, as the Blooberg article they drew their conclusion based on a Bloomberg article that happened to state "The result is free air-conditioning." after describing some of the energy efficiencies. Nowhere did that article state that there were no other systems in place, nor that no efforts were being made for worker comfort.

The elevators thing is partially true, as described by the SF Chronicle @ http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/02/25/MNG2DOATDN1.DTL

The tower also nudges workers to exercise. Most elevators stop only at every third level, forcing employees to use stairs for part of the journey (one elevator is available for people who need it). To make the climb enticing, wide staircases march past collegial atriums and stop at protruding picture windows.

I know some people would freak out over such a thing, but I don't think that there's anything horribly wrong with a measure that adds a tiny bit of exercise into worker lives, if said workers are capable.

The article is obviously nothing more than malevolent propaganda. Only the dimmest bulb would fail to recognize this. Sadly, this is what happens when one encloses themselves in a right-wing (or left-wing) bubble for too long. You lose track of reality.
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From:ddelony
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Re: There is an HVAC system.

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Since we're living in the post-McVeigh era, the paranoia level of the security staff is undoubtedly set to maximum.

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