I lost the election, rather badly - Jay Maynard

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Friday, 30 May 2008


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0907 - I lost the election, rather badly

Oh well.

As it happens, I was tied for the fewest first choice votes received, and eliminated in the first round of counting. The process went all the way down to two candidates before the winner, legomymalfoy, was chosen.

I've heard noises about ballot box stuffing, and there was a death threat reported against at least one candidate (which one has not been reported, as far as I knowlegomymalfoy, again, as reported here, and jameth, as reported here). It really doesn't make that much difference to me; it's obvious that, regardless of other factors, I wasn't going to be elected anyway.

I do note that one candidate, jameth, seemed like a real troll. Whether he is or not, the winner is not, and I'm happy that the kind of followers jameth seems to attract weren't rewarded.

It remains to be seen whether this whole exercise will have any effect on LJ or not. I hope it does, obviously, or else I wouldn't have thrown my helmet into the ring.

current mood: [mood icon] relaxed

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From:rillaspins
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I voted #1 for you...I'm proud of you for running.
From:msirub
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why do you think jameth is a troll?
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From:jmaynard
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Because he was in it for the lulz, and lots of his supporters were, too. That's not what the election was all about. They all treated it as a popularity contest. That's classic trollish behavior: taking nothing seriously, and accusing anyone who opposes them as being unable to take a joke.
From:msirub
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i like when someone says some action is "classic troll behavior" just because they find it annoying.

the fact is legomymalfoy and her supporters were using multiple sockpuppet accounts to sway the election in her favor. plus she is a member of the lj abuse team, which is going to be overseen by the lj advisory board. can we say conflict of interest?
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From:jmaynard
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As someone who has considerable experience being on the wrong end of dealing with trolls, I stand behind my words.

The LJAB doesn't oversee anything. It's there to give advice to LJ's management. Period.

As for the sockpuppet accounts, I'll agree that was a dishonest thing...but the result was that a troll and leader of trolls didn't get elected, and I can't argue too loudly with that. There are lots of folks I respect who are saying "anyone but jameth", and that's a sentiment that I'll agree with.

Perhaps the folks screaming about an LJ abuse team member getting elected are afraid that they'll get slapped down for things they've done?
From:msirub
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so she'll give advice about the abuse team, right?

plus the lj abuse team isn't known for their consistency. remember the whole strikethrough debacle? i fond it ironic that a bunch of fandom writers who were so up in arms last year about that would vote for someone that was involved with the whole fiasco a year after it happened.
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From:jmaynard
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She'll give advice about policies for LJ. The abuse team will follow those policies. There's no conflict there - especially since LJ does not have to follow the recommendations of the LJAB.
From:msirub
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the election was supposed to be about electing an lj user to the advisory board. her supporters essentially cheated to get her into office by using hundreds, if not thousands, of sock puppet accounts. i don't see how a cheater is better than someone you think is a "troll" with actually you doing any research on him beyond asking some of you friends.

plus, in the beginning jameth endorsed you for the second choice in the run-off after him if i recall correctly.

anyway, can we be lj friends? i would love to have you on my friends list.
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From:jmaynard
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Please feel free to add me to your friends list if you'd like. I consider the feature misnamed; it's really a list of LJs you like to read when they're updated. There are folks on mine who I don't consider friends at all. You won't hurt my feelings either way.
From:msirub
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the election was supposed to be about electing an lj user to the advisory board, not an lj employee.

that's what i meant to say.
From:cambler
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From:jmaynard
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1) Contest? That's a funny name to apply to an election that the corporation runs but has no control ver the results of.

2) Agent? An agency relationship doesn't exist unless there's an agreement to that effect; is there one for the members of the abuse team?

In any event, unless jameth sues, it's kinda moot.
From:rfjason
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From:jmaynard
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No, I don't have examples. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it unless there's good reason to change it. He, and his supporters, feel trollish, and that's enough for me. You may certainly disagree with that, if you wish, but please don't tell me how to feel.

Everyone made campaign promises to represent all members of LJ equally. Those go as far as campaign promises in any other venue - not very. Actions speak louder than words, and his scream "this is a joke!" The users of LJ don't need someone representing them who act like this is all for the lulz.
From:rfjason
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From:jmaynard
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I may well have been sensitized to folks like jameth. I'm probably not the only one, either.

Even so, if it's important - and LJ is as important to me as it is to you - then it's worth being serious about.
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From:jameth
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he deleted my legitimate comment.
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From:jmaynard
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I've deleted nobody's comments. I regularly approve all comments posted to this journal, and delete none; there's one comment to this entry that's screened and will remain so because it discusses elements of my personal life that are nobody's business but my own, but that's a serious rarity.
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From:jameth
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Incorrect. I have actual credentials/experience with advisory boards. I was the only leading candidate who did not delete/screen legitimate comments from my journal. I answered all questions or had my advisers answer for me. Did you even read anything before accusing me of being a "troll" and that my supporters were just thinking of this as a joke?
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From:jmaynard
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Your entire approach to the campaign was that of seeing how much of a joke you could make it. Yes, you claimed real experience - but that was drowned out by all of the pictures of people doing things that seemed designed to get them on Fark, endorsing you. That's why I think everyone in your camp thought of it as a joke.
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From:squnq
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Actually, we thought of it as fun. A campaign is fun. Most friends of mine who were on the Dean train years ago before it wrecked in spectacular fashion had a lot of fun on it. I had quite a lot of fun shooting down opposing arguments and undermining candidates by releasing info I had on them, in this election - same as people do and did in real political elections including the one for the democratic nomination that's going on right now. I can't speak for everyone obviously, but a lot of us see the internet as a source of entertainment and relaxation, and the campaign was run in such a manner - drama, controversy and the like are fun and necessary components of a political campaign, especially one where leading candidates have locked / screened journals and refuse to engage in public debate over any issues.

You never stood a chance anyways, though I find it amusing how you finished completely and utterly dead-last, perhaps the geek train is starting to move on from TRON GUY station. I also find it somewhat saddening that you appear to have done nothing but submit yourself for nomination - other nominated candidates used the opportunity and publicity to bring issues about LJ, free speech and other online interests to the spotlight, while you did absolutely nothing with it. You can say what you like about jameth, but you cannot deny that he made the most of his popularity and nomination to bring forth a lot of issues about LJ management which the company will likely need to address in order to have a better online future.
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From:jmaynard
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He may have done so, but his message was utterly lost beneath the tons of lulz and other crap. Will they listen to his message? I doubt it: he has little to no credibility.

I've got no problems with finishing dead last. Others had much wider support networks, and friends lists that were all primed and ready to vote for them. I thought an adult presence in the election might be worth something. I guess I was wrong.
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From:squnq
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serious irony given the things I know of you, sweetheart :]
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From:reddragdiva
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He started ljdrama and Frienditto and is one of the founders of Encyclopedia Dramatica. Also, interacting with him for many years. His sense of humour really doesn't know when to quit it.
From:jmthane
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From:nathew
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go figure, 99% of livejournal is fanfiction-y types and trolls.
From:seeds_of_peace
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Definitely had my vote. Jameth talking about conspiracy on the vote and stuff turned me off quick... plus he like updates 32425345 times a day! annoying :P
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From:squnq
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Curse him for using livejournal for what it is meant to be used for!
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From:cosmicjohn
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Haha, yes.
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From:julieannie
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Well, he endorsed you for 3rd but I'm glad I didn't follow his recommendation because you were ill-informed about the campaign and his reasons for entering it.
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From:annyong
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Jameth asked people to vote for you for third choice.
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From:jmaynard
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Yes, he did. I do appreciate that, even though it didn't matter one little bit - since, in order for that to count, I'd have had to get more first place votes than he did (and thus remain in the running longer than him).
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From:rhonan
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That's OK, we learned a lot from legomymalfoy, and next year, we'll show her crew how to really sock-puppet an election.
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From:jmaynard
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Remind me to stay far, far away.
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From:parker_wolf
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I have nothing witty to add.

I just cant believe I liked you.

I guess that shows what a mistake I made in making a quick decision about someone before I knew better, huh?
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From:jmaynard
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I'm sorry you feel that way...but if I learned anything at all from the TRON experience, it's that I can't let what others think of me affect what I do or believe.
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From:mistressxenobia
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Awwwww.
This makes me sad that I defended you to my friends who thought you were a worthless furry nerd.
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From:lionsphil
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Given that he has an Encyclopædia Dramatica account, "smells of troll" is not a surprising accusation—ED revels in not taking the Internet seriously, "for the lulz".

Which is at least preferable to taking it deathly seriously.
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From:penpusher
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Hi. I'm good friends with bronxelf_ag001, and I do this LJ interview blog called talk_show where I chat with people about their LJs and their lives.

This week, I was doing a post-mortem on the election, and how the candidates experienced it all. Rather than do my usual method (which is doing an IM interview with a guest), I'm sending out this questionnaire which you can choose to answer any and all questions.

Meanwhile, I'd be pleased to welcome you as a "regular" guest on talk_show at some future time. For now though, feel free to pick and choose whatever questions you wish to respond to, and whatever other statement you wish to make about the experience would be fine.

1. What inspired you to run for Advisory Board?

2. Did you have a clear sense of what you were getting into when you entered the campaign?

3. Was their a base of people ready to support your candidacy? How did they help?

4. How did the LiveJournal staffers help you in setting up for the election?

5. Was there a sense that those LJ staffers were prepared for every eventuality?

6. Was there any cautioning, any sense that anything was considered "off-limits" by the LJ staff?

7. When the polls opened, what was your sense about the process?

8. Did anything surprise you during the election?

9. What was the most challenging issue for you personally, once everything got going?

10. What did you think about the method of voting, including the set up of the poll, the length of time the polls remained open and the publicity effort to make the community aware about the election?

11. Was there anything you think either the election officials or you could have or should have done differently that would have helped voters?

12. Was there anything you think either the election officials or you could have or should have done differently that would have helped your campaign?

13. What was your biggest revelation about yourself, about LJ, about politics generally, from this experience?

14. Was this election handled fairly, and do you feel the results were representative of what the community at large truly wanted?

15. Having been through the process, do you think you would consider running again? Why or why not?

Again, thanks very much.

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