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Tuesday, 7 October 2008


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0856 - Obama's associates vs. McCain's

Neal Boortz points out one inconvenient truth in reply to Obama's attack on McCain's association with Charles Keating:

Charles Keating was not KNOWN to be a corrupt businessman when his relationship with McCain began. Bill Ayers WAS known to be a terrorist when his relationship with Obama began. If you buddy up with someone who later turns out to be a crook, that's one thing. If you begin an association with someone known to already be a crook – in this case a terrorist – that's quite another. Come on, folks. This stuff is so easy. The truth is that the best friend Barack Obama has out there is not a terrorist but is an uninformed celebrity-worshipping electorate.


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From:sideband
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IAWTPOHP.
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From:corran22
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another truth

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Ayers walks free to this day. He never saw a minute of prison time, IIRC.

Keating went to prison, partly because of what he did that DIRECTLY INVOLVED McCain. McCain's judgement was formally questioned by the Senate. McCain and his family went on vacations with this guy.

This stuff IS so easy. Obama had nothing to do with the Weather Underground. McCain *was* directly involved in the stuff Keating got pinched for.
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Ayers never went to prison because he was a fugitive from justice for most of the 70s, until the statutes of limitations ran out.

Keating wasn't a crook until after he met McCain, and the Democrat-led committee recommended that McCain be exonerated. McCain also refused to help Keating, which is why he was exonerated.

Obama chose Ayers to host his political coming-out party. Ayers also set up the radical Annenberg Challenge in Chicago, and picked Obama to run it.

Obama had nothing to do with the Weather Underground only because it collapsed before he came along. He is closely associated with Ayers, and no amount of crawfishing will make that fact go away.
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Sorta like McCain and G. Gordon Liddy.

Except Liddy and McCain are actually friends. And they actually have spoken in the last year. And Liddy has actually contributed to McCain's campaign. Liddy actually did jail time. And McCain has praised Liddy continuously.

But yeah, what did Liddy ever do, right?
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From:jmaynard
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Liddy repented.

Ayers has not. Ayers refuses to. Ayers says that he'd do it all over again.

See the difference? Ayers is an unrepentant terrorist who attacked American citizens. Obama knew or should have known that when he chose him as a mentor.
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Liddy repented because he was caught. That does not mean it never happened. The man tried to directly subvert the Constitution. He planned kidnappings and murders. McCain has praised him up and down, saying he was a man of principle. Do you not see the disconnect there?

Obama has said no such thing about Ayers. See the difference?

Read the Ayers NY Times interview. Not just the edited excerpts. You'll see what he says about being unrepentant.

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From:altivo
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Or more likely just an electorate that is tired of "more of the same" and "science doesn't count if we say it doesn't."
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From:jmaynard
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If I thought McCain would be "more of the same", I'd be a lot happier voting for him than I am.
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From:altivo
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Well he looks like more of the same but not for very long to me. And Sarah Palin is too horrendous to contemplate, she'd definitely be worse than the same.

I don't particularly care for Obama or Biden, especially not Biden, but there's not a snowball's chance in hell that I'd vote for McCain and Palin.
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From:jmaynard
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Obama's not running against Palin. He's running against McCain.

On top of that, Obama's never run anything but his mouth. Palin's run a business, a city, and a state. She's got the executive experience Obama is so sorely lacking in.

There's no way in hell I'll vote for Obama. He terrifies me too badly.
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From:altivo
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Sorry, but the city of Wasilla is nothing but the marijuana capital of Alaska. Running a state for a few months is nowhere better than being a Senator for a few months (or years, actually) and especially if the state is is thinly populated as Alaska. "Running" a state by ignoring or trying to repeal every environmental protection there is doesn't impress me at all. Hunting wolves from aircraft puts me off in no uncertain terms.

Ask anyone who lives in Alaska. Palin's experience is no better than Obama's. She was chosen not for any reason other than appeal to the religious right to try to get them back into the republican camp.
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insults are the last bastion of the desparate, Jay

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"'It was never a concern by any of us in the Chicago school reform movement that he had led a fugitive life years earlier,' said former Illinois state Republican Rep. Diana Nelson, who worked with both Obama and Ayers over the years. 'It's ridiculous. There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It's nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It's so silly.'"

even republicans agree that there's nothing there.
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From:nathew
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here's the whole article that contains the quote i posted earlier:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95442902
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From:quentincoyote
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Nay, the 'inconvenient truth' about this whole thing... is that McCain has a relationship to the person in question, and Obama does not. (However, both are worthless points, Obama for what I just pointed out, and McCain for what you say above.)

In the case of Obama, it would be like accusing me of having some kind of 'nefarious association' with, say Sibe, by virtue of the fact if both of us somehow happened to be on the board running, say, MFF.

It's particualarly funny (or sad, perhaps) for this to be coming up again now, in the way it has, however - in the same.. the very same article... that Palin herself claims is the basis for her attack on Obama about this... that *very same* article concludes, at the end, that Obama had no meaningful or significant association with Ayers at all.
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From:d_l_leonine
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Boortz is sooooooo awesome!

I think Obama's Marxist ties and activity are more important than his terrorist ties (since I'm more likely to be taxed into oblivion than blown up). Probably helps that I'm currently reading Hayek's Road to Surfdom on the advice of a friend. It's been quite an eyeopener. Something written nearly 70 years ago and more true now than ever.

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