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Tuesday, 21 October 2008


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0802 - Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights?

wakkowarner, in his last comment, said I should quit reading right-wing blogs. The reason I do is that I can't depend on the mainstream media to tell me the truth about Barack Obama.

I'm far from the only one who's noticed this. Orson Scott Card, a Democrat, an SF author, and a newspaper columnist, lets his co-workers in the news business have it right between the eyes in a column he wrote for the Greensboro (NC) Rhinoceros Times, and reprinted in the Meridian magazine. It's well worth reading:

You're just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it's time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a news paper in our city.


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From:sethb
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This is the Orson Scott "the Constitution doesn't mean what judges say it means, it means what I say it means" Card you're referring to?
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From:jmaynard
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Possibly. OTOH, when someone like that says the press is in the tank for Obama, then it's so blindingly obvious that everyone should be able to see it.
From:sethb
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You mean because he claims to be a Democrat?
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From:jmaynard
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He claims to want to see Democrats elected. Why should I disbelieve him?
From:sethb
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Compare that claim with his actions and writings.
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From:phanatic
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a Democrat, an SF author, and a newspaper columnist

You forgot 'religious nutbag.'
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From:d_l_leonine
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There's been little doubt to anyone who's been paying attention that the vast majority of the media has been in the tank for Obama since the primaries.
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From:jmaynard
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That implies that very few folks have been paying attention...which, sadly, is quite probably the case.
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From:wakkowarner
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The problem isn't that you're reading them. The problem is that you believe every damn-fool thing that appears in them.

Do you honestly think someone shot at the McCain bus with a .22-cal rifle? You tried using that as "evidence" that Obama supporters are all off-kilter. An incident like that would be in local, and probably national papers. It would be in police blotters. It would be on FOX news nonstop. But it isn't. There's no record of it ever even happening. It's a made-up lie.

But, whatever, only 2 weeks of this dumbness left.
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From:jmaynard
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I've got to get news from somewhere, and the MSM has manifestly demonstrated it's not trustworthy.

The story about someone shooting out the indow in the campaign bus has been debunked, but that doesn't mean that it's not happening on both sides. I didn't use it as evidence that all Obama supporters are off-kilter; you put those words in my mouth. I did use it as evidence that some Obama supporters are as off-kilter as some McCain supporters, and how the MSM refuses to report the incidents that make Obama look bad, and I stand by that.

And there's going to be lots more after the election, given ACORN's documented attempts to stuff the voter rolls with fraudulent registrations. If McCain pulls out a victory, the screaming from the Left will make the screaming after 2000 sound like a Steely Dan love song.
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From:wakkowarner
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The story about someone shooting out the indow in the campaign bus has been debunked, but that doesn't mean that it's not happening on both sides.

Actually, if you can't find any real evidence that it's happening on both sides, then you're just wrong. So far, you've managed to find two tiny isolated incidents of Obama supporters gone berserk... two people. There are about 72 million registered Democrats in this country. You found two people. Good work!


I didn't use it as evidence that all Obama supporters are off-kilter; you put those words in my mouth. I did use it as evidence that some Obama supporters are as off-kilter as some McCain supporters, and how the MSM refuses to report the incidents that make Obama look bad, and I stand by that.

So what you're saying is that the TV news ought to be reporting on things that never happened, to impress upon the public that this kind of thing is being perpetrated by both sides, and, if they don't, they're biased? Really?

Should that have been the lead story last night on NBC Nightly News? "Fake Bullets Not Fired At Bus"? I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.

And it isn't as if the media hasn't been reporting these things... it's just that you seem to think that if Katie Couric doesn't break into prime-time programming with the latest news on someone's damaged Lexus, they're "in the tank" for Obama. (This wasn't on "Nightline" either. Or this. Or this. Or this...)


I've got to get news from somewhere, and the MSM has manifestly demonstrated it's not trustworthy.

But Powerline Blog is. Riiiiiiiight.

There's a reason I don't read that kind of crap on either side -- that goes for Kos, HuffPo, LGF, or FreeRepublic. At least Matt Drudge links to actual articles, not a paragraph or two of hearsay.

Here's an idea... why not think for yourself and be skeptical of stories from both sides?
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From:jmaynard
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I certainly trust Power Line, the blog that broke the Rathergate story, over the MSM. The MSM has a strong bias for Obama, and refuses to admit it. Power Line has a strong conservative bias, and states it right up front. They're honest. The MSM is not.

What I'm trying to prove is that the MSM is biased toward Obama so badly that they refuse to report stories that make him or his supporters look bad, and report stores that make McCain and his supporters look like racist thugs. That's blindingly obvious to anyone but a hard-core Obama fanatic, which you're showing yourself to be with every post.
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From:wakkowarner
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What I'm trying to prove is that the MSM is biased toward Obama so badly that they refuse to report stories that make him or his supporters look bad, and report stores that make McCain and his supporters look like racist thugs. That's blindingly obvious to anyone but a hard-core Obama fanatic, which you're showing yourself to be with every post.

LOL. Maybe his supporters look like racist thugs because they are, to no small degree, racist thugs? Maybe the reports are heavily biased against the right because these types of things are perpetrated far more often by the right. So far, you've managed to dredge up two counterexamples. Two.


Now, if you knew anything at all about me, you'd know I was far from a "hard-core Obama fanatic." Truth is, I'm not too excited about either of these candidates. Both of them stood behind the greatest swindle of American taxpayer dollars in our country's history, and the effects of this massive devaluation of our fiat currency have yet to be felt.

But come on, you've been acting like a madman ever since you found out McCain's chances of becoming President are somewhere below that of a snowball surviving a night in Hades, and your pathetic, desperate attempts to find anything at all against him and his supporters mostly just sadden me.

Not like it matters; you're one vote in a state that will go to Obama in November anyway. I just wish you'd stop repeating these stupid lies to everyone else in an attempt to influence their decision.
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From:jmaynard
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LOL. Maybe his supporters look like racist thugs because they are, to no small degree, racist thugs?
Wrong. They look like racist thugs in the MSM reports because the MSM is trying hard to paint them that way. Period. End of story. You've been brainwashed by the MSM.

you'd stop repeating these stupid lies
I don't repeat anything that hasn't been independently sourced. They may turn out to be false, but they're far less significant than Obama's socialist policies that will soak the rich and give income tax "refunds" to millions of people who don't pay income taxes in the first place.

Obama is a dangerous, far-left socialist who will complete the wrecking of our economy that he and his left-wing cronies began by destroying the concept that people should have to be able to pay back a loan in order to qualify for one. I'm not fond of McCain, but compared to Obama, he's got his head screwed on straight. Republicans tried to rein in Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. Democrats torpedoed the effort. We've all seen the result.

I will not stop reposting things that I feel are being covered up by the MSM, and no amount of haranguing from you or your leftist buddies will change that. Unlike the airwaves, nobody can threaten to stop my license from being renewed for daring to question the anointed messiah of the Left.
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From:wakkowarner
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I don't repeat anything that hasn't been independently sourced. They may turn out to be false,

...which they mostly have...

but they're far less significant than Obama's socialist policies that will soak the rich and give income tax "refunds" to millions of people who don't pay income taxes in the first place.

Then talk about that. Why waste everybody's time with made-up lies? It just makes your position look really weak.
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From:jmaynard
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I'll say it again: If it appears credible, and the MSM isn't reporting it, then I'll talk about it, whether you like it or not.
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From:quentincoyote
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"If it appears credible"

That, however, is where you've mostly been misstepping so far, however...
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From:foolscap001
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"LOL. Maybe his supporters look like racist thugs because they are, to no small degree, racist thugs? Maybe the reports are heavily biased against the right because these types of things are perpetrated far more often by the right."

Where's your evidence of that--the MSM's echo chamber referring to McCain campaign events as full of "insane rage"? The reporter who claimed to hear someone shout "Kill him!" at a Palin rally when Obama's name was mentioned? The Secret Service couldn't confirm that, nor did anyone say he or she had heard it save the one reporter. Despite that, the allegation made the Washington Post, and was repeated by ABC News.
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From:quentincoyote
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ah... actually, it's on video. (it's said off-camera, but the audio is clearly audible.
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From:wakkowarner
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Where's my evidence?

Have you been living under a rock?
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From:foolscap001
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Let's see... in the first video, I perhaps heard "terrorist," but the rest of the shouts from the crowd were unintelligible.

As for the people questioned on the street--I'm sure many people were filmed and the stupidest responses selected. Howard Stern (or rather someone working for him) found people on the street who cheerfully agreed with McCain positions when they were attributed to Obama; what does that prove?

A guy putting up a sign on his parking lot saying cars with Obama stickers are unwelcome? Yeah, that's insane rage all right.
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From:foolscap001
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In reply elsewhere, you cite exactly two incidents as well. Why is your generalization valid, but the other not?
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From:hephaestionaz
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democracynow.org
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From:quentincoyote
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But here's the thing: You've already decided that the truth is only anything bad about Obama, and anything good about Obama is lies. You're not actually interested in hearing the truth at all, whatever that may be, you're only interested in hearing bad things, in re-confirming your own preconceived notions - you won't even countenance anything else. That's not exactly news, either. :-P
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From:jmaynard
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Not at all. Nobody's 100% evil, not even Obama. However, the news media is disgustingly and unashamedly refusing to report any of the negatives about him. Card's column lays out, step by step, who's responsible for the current economic crisis - and, as he points out, if the roles had been reversed, the MSM would be all over McCain for it. The only reason their refusal to do unto Obama what they'd do unto McCain isn't deeply shocking is that nothing the MSM does to help Obama get elected can shock me any more.

I expect the MSM to be even-handed, and report both good and bad stories about each candidate. They're doing that in the case of McCain, sort of (they're completely ignoring that he predicted the current crisis and tried to stop it, for example), but they're not even pretending to do that to Obama.

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