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Wednesday, 16 February 2005


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1938 - This should be obvious even to a leftist

wbwolf asks, in his LJ:

Why has race and religion become such an issue after 11 Sept when they haven't after the Oklahoma City bombing? Both are acts of terrorism; people senselessly died in both. Both were attacks on the symbols of American society. Someone is falling down on their job here to ask the hard questions; Americans have never been ones for deep introspection, but rather just "do".

This one should be obvious even to the least observant leftist. Oklahoma City wasn't racially or religiously motivated. 9/11 was. Oklahoma City was one guy striking out against what he saw as a government that had declared war on its people. 9/11 was an attack on all things American by those afflicted with a particularly virulent Islamofascism. (No, I do NOT believe that al-Qaeda represents Islam. I do, however, believe that they think it does. That makes their motivations religious.)

Of course, he also repeats the Left's call to "understand" the terrorists. He's incorrect, as usual. The only thing we need to understand about terrorists is how to wipe them from the face of the Earth without mercy.

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From:kinkyturtle
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leftist shmeftist.
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From:jmaynard
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KT, I'm disappointed. Surely you can do better than that.
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From:unspeakablevorn
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But we must understand the terrorists, if we are to prevent more from coming about: if we do not understand where they come from, we cannot change the world so that would-be terrorists don't become actual ones.

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From:jmaynard
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The problem with this is that it inevitably leads to giving the terrorists what they want. This is exactly the wrong thing to do.

We can change the world so that would-be terrorists don't become actual ones: simply ensure that those who commit terrorism meet swift, violent, and final ends - preferably, the same end they would have inflicted on the innocent.
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From:phanatic
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Did we need to understand the Nazis to defeat them?

What makes this different?

And, what makes you think we don't understand the terrorists? Islamism isn't exactly a complex philosophy.
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From:xterminal
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The only thing we need to understand about terrorists is how to wipe them from the face of the Earth without mercy.

The downside to this (to some people) is that the more of them you kill, the more will spring up in their place, and eventually, you're left in a position where you can trust no one but yourself not to be a terrorist. You know you've hit critical mass when you're no longer sure about yourself.

Not everyone, however, thinks this is a downside...

(oh, and:)

Oklahoma City was one guy striking out against what he saw as a government that had declared war on its people.

Timmy had 20/20 vision.
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From:phanatic
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The downside to this (to some people) is that the more of them you kill, the more will spring up in their place,

I keep seeing this assertion bandied about, but I don't see any objective evidence for it. What are you basing it on?
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From:shelbystripes
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Oklahoma City wasn't racially or religiously motivated.

It wasn't? It was a Christian fundamentalist reaction to a "leftist" government, by a man who held blatant racial biases and saw the government's actions as increasingly hostile to the white man.

Basically, you refuse to see that because it requires acknowleding that there's something very wrong with what is in reality a somewhat more extreme version of what you purport to believe. To answer wbwolf's query accurately, there was no backlash against any racial or religious motivations for OKC because it would have required too many people in this country to admit they shared those same wrong beliefs and done something about it.
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From:korgmeister
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"The only thing we need to understand about terrorists is how to wipe them from the face of the Earth without mercy."

Fuckin' aye.

As I point out, we are the ones with the metal birds that fly in the sky, that rain down death and destruction where we choose. We are the ones who can turn them into a footnote in history at the push of the button.

We are the BOFH's of the earth and we call the shots. Why the hell should we try to understand their suicidal and primitive attitudes?
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From:o0jade960o
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That is what the problem is. Americans seem to think we are invincible. If nothing else, 9-11 should have taught us that. The good that SHOULD come out of 9-11 would be a little bit of humility from a nation that doesn't hold as much power as we think we do.

Just because I've seen other comments on this post, I better finish off by saying that I am not anti-american NOR do I feel that what happened was in ANY way, shape, or form something that was good... I simply have a unique talent for trying to find the good that CAN come out of something so horrible.
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From:o0jade960o
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Just a thought...

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From:wakkowarner
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Oklahoma City was one guy striking out against what he saw as a government that had declared war on its people.

And 9/11 was 19 guys striking out against what they saw as a government that had declared war on their people, if you can think of it from their point of view.

Is what I just said Unamerican?

- A.P.
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From:phanatic
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And 9/11 was 19 guys striking out against what they saw as a government that had declared war on their people, if you can think of it from their point of view.


No, it wasn't. Far more than 19 guys were involved, they were just the point of the spear.

If you didn't know that, you're not even qualified to ask the questions.
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You're nitpicking. Were they, or were they not striking out against what they saw as a government (well, society in general, really) that had declared war on their people?

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No, it's simply wrong. al-Qaeda didn't strike at the government. It struck at innocent civilians. Why do you think McVeigh bombed a federal installation?
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