Not just that, but the demand for a one-sided nature of things. Mr. Simpson put out an announcement on the O&M mailing list that the war in Iraq was not to be discussed as it did not relate to the comic. As long as that was actually the case, there was no problem, it really was off-topic. Later, however, it did relate to the comic would have been very much on-topic and yet the embargo was still there and pointed out. "I can talk about it, but nobody else dare!" It's one thing to disagree, it's quite another to pull crap like that.

I see your period of mourning and pondering self-improvement has ended and you're back to taking potshots once again. That, and you've yet again (or is it still?) mistaken attempts at moderation to end flames as censorship. As I recall you fanned a number of flames and chased off of a number of folks, maximizing the harm you could do, before leaving.

I'm not sure you are even aware of what it looks like, but while I'm no psychiatrist or psychologist, it looked - and still looks, from your continued actions - like you're projecting your father onto Jay or such. Since you're trying to get along with your family in one way or another, you instead lash out at someone you see as having similar views but who is safely distant and not family.

Driven nothing. Your opinion would be tolerated, if grudgingly, but your constantly pugnacious tone was what was not tolerated - and rightly so. You yet again are painting attempts at moderation (firefighting) as censorship. They are very different things. I was there, remember, so don't bother continuing to lie to me about it. I've had enough of your lies whether on channel or in messages about what was happening on channel.

Jay, and remember I was in the same room as he was, did his best to put out the fires. He simply ignored you more times than you can imagine, hoping you'd just burn yourself out.

What you say has less than no value. I've witnessed what you've done and what you continue to do. I'll admit it took me longer than it should have to see you for what you are. You are nothing but a force for destruction, whether you realize it or not.

You started fires.
You fanned the flames.
You did so repeatedly, on many occasions the resultant heat of your arson driving others away.
You only left after there wasn't anyone more left you were likely to drive off.
You continue to make a pest of yourself on his LJ account at every opportunity.
You continue to try to inflict damage every chance you get.
You have not changed.

Your message to Jay the other night reminded me of this work work of the_gneech, specifically the lines: "You can't just act like a prick and then come back later and ask for a do-over. You haven't done anything to make up for it, you haven't done anything to earn another chance, you haven't paid for your mistakes, and I see no reason to think that in ten minutes time you won't just act like a prick again."

If you don't like that reputation, stop earning it.

There is, I think, rather a difference between being welcomed and merely being tolerated.

So evidently one can either be intolerant or immoral. Some choice that. Well there is one other choice, agreeing with you at the price of their own principles. Some choice that, too. What you've been doing, as I see it, is exploiting someone's tolerance in order to do harm... but only just enough so as to be an irritant but not enough to earn being banned: a brinkmanship of irritation. I know you don't want to hear it, but hopefully now that I've gone and said the things I've said you might get around to thinking about them someday. Well, I can dream.

For a while I did figure it was intentional, as it sure looked calculated. Now I'm not so sure and willing to be charitable and figure you don't even realize that you're doing it, you just do it. It's a sort of safety valve, for you, but you don't see the effect it has on some others as you don't realize that the valve is there even as you use it. Of course, I'm not sure you've comprehended a word I've said, in this reply or any of those previous. It took me some time to see past how you portrayed yourself and see you as you actually act. Toss it off as shallow if it helps you cope, but I'll still consider it finally being observant. It certainly took me long enough.

If you are referring to #wt, then yes there was a clique and I felt it as well. That's one reason I had no problem at all moving to the cafe. Some of the clique followed, and I felt that too. I doubt you will believe it, but both Jay and I were on the outside of that. Yes, even in his own channel, he was bit of an outsider to things. It was Masem who actually tried to point things out.. and actually got listened. I think I tried to point it out earlier, but that didn't go anywhere. That, however, is not at all the issue.

As for reputation, it's amazing to me how many still believe him - but then he even had me duped for a couple years as he used me to help him screw things up in the cafe and drive people off one by one (that's most galling thing of all - and I suspect and fear he's incapable of understanding that that is what he did and the harm he caused by that - being used by someone to help them hurt a friend is not a fun experience or realization). Mostly his reputation is what he says, which is not true, but many believe him all the same, which only encourages a sad stasis. The truly depressing thing is it took it me so long to see how he really is, even with repeated examples of his troublemaking right in front of me. If you didn't see who he drove off from the cafe, you were not there. The stuff that happened in #wt I can see as largely the result of a kid not realizing what he was doing. What he did in the cafe, after he supposedly grew up, was not. He can call himself a mephit all he wants, but until he stops stinging - even if he only stings a few people - his behavior is that of a scorpion and he ought to be treated as scorpion. I've seen to too many stung (I include the ones he has run off, who don't even realize they were stung), and been stung too hard myself, to do otherwise.