Sunday, 23 November 2008
|0751 - We won!: Victory in Iraq Day|
Via Eric S. Raymond:
We won. The Iraq War is over.
I declare November 22, 2008 to be "Victory in Iraq Day." (Hereafter known as "VI Day.")
By every measure, The United States and coalition forces have conclusively defeated all enemies in Iraq, pacified the country, deposed the previous regime, successfully helped to establish a new functioning democratic government, and suppressed any lingering insurgencies. The war has come to an end. And we won.
What more indication do you need? An announcement from the outgoing Bush administration? It's not gonna happen. An announcement from the incoming Obama administration? That's really not gonna happen. A declaration of victory by the media? Please. Don't make me laugh. A concession of surrender by what few remaining insurgents remain in hiding? Forget about it.
The moment has come to acknowledge the obvious. To overtly declare a fact that has already been true for quite some time now. Let me repeat:
WE WON THE WAR IN IRAQ
And since there will never be a ticker-tape parade down Fifth Avenue in New York for our troops, it's up to us, the people, to arrange a virtual ticker-tape parade. An online victory celebration.
The essay linked from the banner lays out the case as completely as any case can ever be made. The left-wing media will never acknowledge it; they're too busy trying to get us to run home with our tails between our legs. Obama certainly will never admit it; it would piss off the leftists who elected him. It's up to us.
current mood: pleased
If we've won (which I don't disagree with), then why can't we come home? Why can't 95% of our troops come come? Why can't we turn over the Iraqi country to their government?
Good question. I always wondered that about Germany, myself--after all, it's been fifty-three years.
Of course we need to stay in Germany so that we have someplace "close" to send all of our injured troups from the middle east!
This is the part that always got to me during the campaign. If the surge worked, then troops can come home. It makes both sides arguing whether to stay or go both look silly. I think the surge worked and they were right about that. The issue of contention was moving out of Afghanistan before it was a done.
History will look back see that the surge was the right idea, and Bush and his team will get credit. The media never really looks back and acknowledges it. Look for some retrospective pieces giving credit where it is due on PBS and NPR in a few years.
Remember the media is focused on the economy, making it worse than it really is. The president only has indirect control and for many elections in my life time presidents have been blamed for economics they had no control over it at all.
Uh, victory was already declared, by Bush, in 2003. Since then, we haven't been "fighting a war", only "occupying the country". They called this the "transition". The shooting part's still the same, though, if you need to feel sentimental.
Actually, the famous "mission accomplished" thing was specifically for that one aircraft carrier that was leaving the theater. The media twisted it into a "mission accomplished" for the whole war.
Indeed, the banner reading "Mission Accomplished" was for that one carrier. (the Lincoln.)
But Bush also spoke, and he said, "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed. And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country."
Later, he said, "The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11, 2001".
Sure sounds like a victory speech to me, without any twisting.
Good, so that means we can totally leave now, right? ^.^
Guess the leftist media hasn't told you: we're handing the country over to the Iraqis and leaving in an orderly manner, even as I type this.
Oh, you mean those people who's country it is? Awesome! :) Yeah, I did know that actually. Well good then, so everybody's happy and we can get on with our lives.
Hey Jay, long time fan/lurker/admirer here
I hate to be a total noob, but is this we won the war thing a joke or are you serious?
I, and the blog the banner above links to, are both totally serious. By any objective standard, especially when compared to, say, WWII, we've won. It's time to acknowledge that fact.
Wish they'd use the right flag
(You Know You're A Vexillologist When ... *that's* the part of the post that stands out at you and you comment on. (Actually, my thoughts (re: If we won, then get the f*** out!) have been repeated by many, so I don't want to "Me too!" and rather comment on what I first noticed ... ))
I think one of the reason that no one has declared victory in the MSM is that this is a different kind of war. We knew when victory against Germany was in WWII when the Nazis signed the article of surrender. Same as Japan in WWII. We knew when we lost in Vietnam when we left afte rthe Communists overran the joint. But we're not at war with the Iraqi (or the Afghani) government. We're not looking for someone ("them" or "us") to sign surrender papers for a winner to be determined, it looks like the winner is determined when someone says they won. And in that sense, the original poster said we won, so I guess we did win!