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Wednesday, 27 April 2011


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0919 - Took him long enough...

So, President Obama finally released his birth certificate. Now we can put the matter to rest.

Personally, I've always thought that whether he was born in Hawaii or not - and I had no real opinion on the subject - it would never be allowed to interfere with his holding the office. Too much chaos would result if he were proven to be ineligible. Worse, the Vice Plagiarist would then be the Plagiarist-in-Chief.

Still...why did he wait two and a half years to do something he could have easily done when he was running for President? By stonewalling, all he did was fan the flames. It's far too late for him to complain that it's soaked up too much of our national energy now, since it's his own fault for not releasing it sooner.

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From:bunny42
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My question exactly. If it was available all along, what was the idea of keeping it secret, or private, or whatever else he might call it? For that matter, why didn't Hawaii release it, so we could all move on. What a ridiculous waste of everybody's time, and for what? Naturally, it would be perceived that he had something to hide. You'd think he'd want to avoid petty controversies like this. Unless, of course, all this stonewalling was deliberately designed to divert attention from other things. I can't think of any other reason to make such a big deal out of not releasing the thing in the first place.

I initially said the birthers were nutjobs, that Congress and/or the DNC would be fools to approve his nomination without first having vetted his qualifications. Then I found out that nobody in Congress actually has the responsibility to vet the candidate. That left the DNC, and I still maintain they would be utterly insane not to have solidly verified his eligibility before he could run. So why all the brouhaha?

You make a good point, though. President Biden has a chilling ring to it. Not unlike President Trump.
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From:jmaynard
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I think it's that nobody could prove that the vetting was actually done. The DNC had no interest in shooting Obama down as a candidate; all they would do by doing that would be to alienate one particular minority community to no good end, in an election they were almost guaranteed to win unless they did something that seriously bad.

I can understand Hawaii not releasing it, under confidentiality laws. Still, I just can't fathom the reason for Obama not nipping the controversy in the bud in 2008.
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From:bunny42
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Yep, all it did was give conspiracy theorists more fodder. Hawaii did release some stuff a few weeks ago. Maybe he gave them permission. But, as you point out, why not just get it over with in the first place. Could he be politically naive enough to believe this would all go away on its own? Didn't he learn anything from the Clinton years?

Wow, do you really think the DNC just got lucky? That they failed to follow through and didn't want to risk being found out before the election? That's wacky! I love it! My theory, that they vetted him before the nomination, pales by comparison.
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From:jmaynard
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No, no...I think the DNC did the vetting. However, there's no good way to prove they did, and they would have incentive not to let an adverse result get in their way. Since there's no adverse result to cause problems, that much is speculative - but it is reasonable to believe that where there's smoke, there's fire.
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From:bunny42
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I was reading an article today about why he should not have had to provide the document. The premise had to do with "show me your paypuhz," how it was racist to require anybody to prove their citizenship. One of the commenters pointed out that we're required to "show our papers" every time we want to board a plane, vote, etc. It's not racist.

I remain intrigued by why he felt it appropriate to wait nearly three years to put an end to all of this. It may well have backfired. We'll see. It probably won't satisfy the diehard conspiracy theorists, but who listens to them anyway?
From:sethb
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Simple: discredit the people who've been making stupid claims for 2.5 years. Releasing it then would have made it a non-issue.
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From:nishar
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I have heard some people saying that Obama was keeping it secret not because he wasn't born in America: but because he had dual citizenship. And it took this long to scrub that out from the record: hence the delay in releasing his birth certificate.
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From:jmaynard
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Except that dual citizenship would not disqualify him, as long as he met the requirement that he be a natural US citizen by birth.
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From:nishar
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•Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.) may be president of the United States

The birthers don't know the constitution: even though they misquote it all the time. They are saying duel citezenship would disqualify him for being president. It wouldn't... but I am sure they would try and take him to court and get Obama kicked out of office. More important though, there are a lot of people who voted for Obama who would not have vited for him if obama had duel citezenship.
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From:bunny42
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That was going to be my question, too. I couldn't see how dual citizenship would necessarily disqualify a person. If Kenya, or Indonesia, for that matter chooses to confer citizenship upon him by virtue of his father's nationality, he has no control over that. I suppose he could renounce it, but why would he, as long as it didn't interfere with his being a natural born citizen.
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From:nishar
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I am thinking it had more to do with the amount of people who wouldn't have voted for Obama had it been revealed that he had duel citizenship. Personally I think it's a non-issue but the birthers are not gonna stop. They smell blood and are gonna attack Obama.
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From:pokeyburro
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Point I'm hearing making the rounds now: the birther issue was kept alive, not so much by the birthers, but by [insert entity here] trying to make the Republicans look worse by association.
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From:unspeakablevorn
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"We couldn't resist being idiots! They kept bringing it up!"
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From:pokeyburro
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Who? The small group of people who demand proof of birth, or the Republicans in general, who have no control over the former group?
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From:unspeakablevorn
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that 'small group of people' that includes such perennial spokesgreaseballs for so-called "conservatives" as Rush Limbaugh and pretty much the entire news-commentary cast on Fox News, yes.
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From:kazriko
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Ugh. People who tie Rush to this are people who didn't listen to Rush. Rush has been saying it's a non-issue and dismissing it for ages. Other gasbags made an issue of it though. (Neal Boortz and Glenn Beck are both others who have been saying it was a non-issue and a distraction for over 2 years.)
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From:jmaynard
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In general, people who blast Rush for things like that are people who listen to what the MSM says Rush said instead of listening to Rush himself. The same goes for other conservative talk show hosts. The MSM constantly distorts conservative viewpoints because they can't stand to have the real truth out there and believed.
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From:unspeakablevorn
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Actually I don't think it will help at all, nor would it have three years ago.

The conspiracy theorists -- and that's what they are, remember -- will simply move the goalposts again. In fact they already have: they say that the long-form certificate is a photoshop job, that they really need some other thing (I've heard tell of something called a "circumcision certificate"), that... well, you get the idea. There is no shutting them up, and there never will be.

I mean hell there's people who still believe that the world trade center was taken down by controlled explosives, not, say, the 40ish tons of metal and Jet A that hit each building at speeds in excess of 300 knots, that we have video of.
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From:thecanuckguy
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Why did he wait 2.5 years? Why did he do it at all?It's not his job to prove that he was born in hawaii, to prove 9/11 wasn't an inside job, to prove that we landed on the Moon, to prove that Oswald was the sole assassin of JFK, etc., etc. Every time I've heard of Obama's reaction, it's been described along the lines of "bemusement", something which I'm sure the sane populace feels about them.

Why did he do it now? Well, the official line is to get the presidential candidates on track (thereby implying, I guess, that it's more important for presidential candidates to not be cuckoo nutjobs than the average American, but whatever) and since McCain wasn't a birther (and even took the time to counteract some of the lies coming from his followers, which I mentioned on my blog at the time how much I greatly admired him for doing so) he didn't need to in 2008. I can't really see any other reason for him to do it now other than the one he gave us, so Occam's Razor FTW yet again.

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